tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post336407146432781902..comments2023-12-28T11:27:12.248-06:00Comments on The Art of Being Conflicted: I Have Lost My PatienceCperzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09062444081488414888noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-86046547545658358032014-03-07T11:51:11.835-06:002014-03-07T11:51:11.835-06:00That they do, or maybe it is that they just don...That they do, or maybe it is that they just don't think, or don't care that their words will hurt another person.Nitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-22118632837226356372014-03-03T13:34:27.798-06:002014-03-03T13:34:27.798-06:00She does look like your Rosie. I think we compared...She does look like your Rosie. I think we compared them at one point quite a while ago. <br /> It's terribly sad, isn't it when our dear pets get sick? I have Carmen on some medication that has shown some promise in keeping cancer from spreading. She is becoming very slow but she is still eating and wanting attention. SOOO for now we are just taking things as they come. <br />Thank you for the hug..it is much appreciated and returned to you as well.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-63596889147118889232014-03-03T12:48:59.569-06:002014-03-03T12:48:59.569-06:00Cheryl, I am sorry to have missed this post. I wa...Cheryl, I am sorry to have missed this post. I was all caught up in the 30M2DoW. I'm so sorry to hear about your sweet Carmen. She resembles my Rosie whom I lost last November to cancer. He was 16. They are so precious to us, and so often people make cruel remarks without thinking how we hear them, and how much they hurt, when we are already hurting.<br /><br /><br />I'm sending a big hug to you. I know how it feels. :(Linda R.http://www.roses2rainbows.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-32879576996104437372014-03-03T11:21:26.902-06:002014-03-03T11:21:26.902-06:00Hi Nita!! Yes, I agree that people thing those av...Hi Nita!! Yes, I agree that people thing those avatar and screen names allow them to say anything they please. I can't help but think that more thought should be given to the person they are aiming their attack at. If I were Judy Cox, I would of been upset at some of the more vile comments. BUT then I could be rather thin-skinned if someone was attacking me personally as opposed to attaching a point of view I espoused. <br /><br />You and I agree on the matter at hand. I am not a big fan of the shirts but wouldn't of personally taken a stand on the subject with the store or mall....but I, too say kudos to her for following through with something she felt strongly about.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-36758801358542113332014-03-02T22:45:38.698-06:002014-03-02T22:45:38.698-06:00I think that a part of the problem with so many ru...I think that a part of the problem with so many rude and hateful comments is that those who make such comments feel that the anonymity the internet gives them is carte blanche to say whatever comes into their rather narrow minds. Would the shirts have offended me, probably not. But that doesn't mean I think they would be appropriate in a store window, when young children walk the halls of a mall. I say kudo's to the woman for doing what she felt needed to be done and hopefully when the store has to make that large refund their corporate offices will take notice and make a change.Nitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-68447608758675971002014-03-02T21:14:00.691-06:002014-03-02T21:14:00.691-06:00I don't think the t-shirts are particularly b...I don't think the t-shirts are particularly bad either...although, I think they don't necessarily need to be in a store that markets to the pre-teen set. Even with that in play, I wouldn't personally made an issue out of it. I wouldn't get riled about a window display in a store. <br /><br /> If I still had teens in the house, I would take it up with them as to their purchasing anything that I just consider crass. The glory of dealing with a 13 or 14 year old is that Mom still has some control. The mom in question was shopping with an 18 year old. I think by that age, he needs to make his own decisions. My children were living on college campuses at that age so I had to trust that they were capable of choosing their clothing. <br /><br />I am totally on board with your stand. I admire that she took a stand for what she believed. I appreciate that she was willing to do something for an ideal she feels strongly about...especially sense it was not hurtful or harmful to anyone else. I find the fault with the rude people that attacked her verbally in very vile ways.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-55773791573446191912014-03-02T21:02:54.932-06:002014-03-02T21:02:54.932-06:00Yeah, everyone wants to get noticed...well except ...Yeah, everyone wants to get noticed...well except me...I want to blend into the wallpaper. If invisibility cloaks were real, I'd buy one....so I can try to be nice and no one will notice. I wish this trend of being contrary would go away and people started wanting to play nice with each other.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-34279556983484512702014-03-02T17:43:10.352-06:002014-03-02T17:43:10.352-06:00I guess my thought, I didn't agree the t-shirt...I guess my thought, I didn't agree the t-shirts were that particularly bad, (but then I tend to be laid back about the human body...), but I thought the woman quite literally put her money where her mouth was. She did something about her beliefs. So, all things being equal, I say, go get 'em, sister! And I am so sorry that so many feel that her standing up for her ideals was something to snarl at... CatCatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-75499309486849868012014-03-02T16:58:35.596-06:002014-03-02T16:58:35.596-06:00Why does every little incident require animosity a...Why does every little incident require animosity and confrontation? Because that's the only to get attention. And ratings. Because to do otherwise would be "boring". The truth is also boring. And so is being even-keeled, civil, nice, fair, common sensical, etc...Margarethttp://www.nannygoatsinpanties.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-60503221198023697762014-03-01T14:26:53.099-06:002014-03-01T14:26:53.099-06:00Thank you for the heads up. I do enjoy playing ar...Thank you for the heads up. I do enjoy playing around with Photoshop and similar image manipulation software programs. I definitely will go visit the link you sent. That sounds like a nice thing for her to do sending you a gift.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-71387112974204739912014-03-01T11:53:13.711-06:002014-03-01T11:53:13.711-06:00Cheryl you a great job of keeping this comment sec...Cheryl you a great job of keeping this comment section going. I'm a bit envious. However that's not why I'm leaving another comment here. Another blogger created a photoshop picture gift for me. She used photoshop and I know you enjoy creating funny pictures so I thought you should check out her blog. Maybe you could share one of your many comments over there.<br />http://artisticcomposition.blogspot.com/2014/02/ff-bits-n-pieces.htmllislemanhttp://afcsoac.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-36385800544228969012014-02-27T20:47:01.720-06:002014-02-27T20:47:01.720-06:00Haha...I guess your high school theater dept. rea...Haha...I guess your high school theater dept. really knew how to put realism into their acting.<br /><br /><br />Let's hope the 18 year old rolled his eyes because if he covered his eyes and whined to his mommy that he saw a picture of a dirty girl...he's a lost cause. <br /><br /><br />BTW...I think it is awesome that you have all remained friends for such a long period of time.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-26481628017116963692014-02-27T13:51:31.907-06:002014-02-27T13:51:31.907-06:00"Can people disagree without being going tota..."Can people disagree without being going totally ape shit." - seriouslymeleahrebeccahhttp://mommamiameaculpa.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-37456908877614419202014-02-27T13:25:35.548-06:002014-02-27T13:25:35.548-06:00Ha! That doesn't offend any of us in the sligh...Ha! That doesn't offend any of us in the slightest. You know the old saying, you have to love your parents but that doesn't mean you have to like them? That would probably describe his relationship with his mom.<br /><br />We all had the same reaction as you. Why the hell would someone think that was indecent? They were all just pretending. No real kissing was going on in the slightest (I guess that's a testament to the realness of the 'pretending').<br /><br />Our buddy is quite normal, which is all to our surprise. In my experience, kids who grow up in ultra-religious houses like that end up rebelling to the other polar extreme.<br /><br />If that 18 year old is anything like our friend, he was probably mortified and just rolling his eyes, like, "Oh mom, what did you get yourself into?"abeerfortheshowernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-31387932458711040182014-02-27T13:13:13.009-06:002014-02-27T13:13:13.009-06:00Now that I sent that...I hope I didn't offend ...Now that I sent that...I hope I didn't offend your friend or his up tight mother. I am blaming it on my shock that someone would so over react to pretend kissing.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-78633876897228306072014-02-27T13:06:48.360-06:002014-02-27T13:06:48.360-06:00As up tight "Christens" go...you are ver...As up tight "Christens" go...you are very, very funny...and while I doubt that you are a BKBTHG who's trapped in the stone age and hates men and women (how about transgenders...any problems with them?) I absolutely agree with you. People seem to be very comfortable at putting labels on others based on inaccurate assumptions. As an older, white, raised in the South, Christian woman...stereotypes would not work in my favor. <br /><br />Which brings me to...what the hell was wrong with that woman that would call DURING a performance especially given the fact she was talking about pretend kissing? Was her kid normal??? Bet, he never brought girlfriends home to make out with. <br /><br />Ya know...your comment brings up an interesting point. A lot of the comments inferred that the Utah woman was an uptight narrow minded person trying to foist her religious values on the store/mall/community...but her reaction might not been based entirely on her faith. It might be she is an overly protective mother that is hyper sensitive to the current trend of baring it all. <br /><br />I would of loved it, if any of the news reporters would of asked the 18 year old son for a comment. Was he embarrassed? Did he agree with her way of handling of it? Is he currently begging her to let him keep the shirts?Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-1352383576229691042014-02-27T11:21:29.109-06:002014-02-27T11:21:29.109-06:00Back when we were in high school, one of our frien...Back when we were in high school, one of our friends' (Yes, we both have all the same friends, and we've all known each other since elementary school) mother called the police during the high school stage performance of Guys and Dolls because there was a scene where all of the guys were pretending to kiss all of the girls while doing some crazy dancing. She got wildly offended and called it child indecency, and called the police DURING the performance. Yes, we gave him a ton of crap for it. No, nothing happened with the police. She wasn't a religious nut who lived in the 1800s and valued sexual cattle. She was just a bit uptight and a lot more conservative in her values.<br /><br />What I'm saying is, and to reiterate your point, it's easy to vilify people when we don't know them. Especially when it comes to the mishmashing of politics and religion, there's never any common ground. It's always two extremes. Oh, she's a liberal? Then she's a baby killing hippie who hates men. Oh, she's conservative? Then she's a Bible-thumping granny who's stuck in the stone age and hates her own gender. Why is there never any middle ground with this stuff?<br /><br />Like you, I'm a "Christen" who leans a little more toward liberal with my politics and thinking. In other words, I'm a baby killing, Bible-thumping hippie granny who's trapped in the stone age and hates men AND women. :)abeerfortheshowernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-91035417509474889242014-02-27T08:13:43.959-06:002014-02-27T08:13:43.959-06:00I also belong to a denomination known for it's...I also belong to a denomination known for it's liberal views. I try to steer away from specifics in terms of religion because it's so easy to offend people. It's difficult to convey to people that I am open to hear and discuss whatever their faith or lack of faith is about. On this post though part of my aggravation was the the most vile of the comments were directed at Judy because she is Mormon and/or Christian. (or Christen...as the case may be) <br /><br />I am not the type to get all stirred up over such things as a window display but I would of thought it was in poor taste on Pac Suns part. I am fairly sick, of these teeny bopper stores pushing slutty or overly sexualized clothes to the 13 or 14 year old customer base. I personally, wouldn't act on it. I certainly wouldn't give them my money. <br /><br />I am sending you a direct email shortly with a couple of thoughts that I won't post here.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-83224587943709602532014-02-26T23:46:56.285-06:002014-02-26T23:46:56.285-06:00i was always in search of such of useful informati...i was always in search of such of useful information, i'm glad i come across your site by chance. i'll add this to my bookmark so i can return here cause i'm sure i'll check here most of the time to read more of your article. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.n8fan.net/" rel="nofollow">Click_Me</a>aislinnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-88259437957208094072014-02-26T19:19:07.043-06:002014-02-26T19:19:07.043-06:00Religion is an easy target, sadly. I'm also m...Religion is an easy target, sadly. I'm also more liberal and find that I enjoy the more liberal thinking of the Episcopal Church (often coined as "Catholic Light" because the services are very similar, but the priest can get married and have children and women can become priests).<br /><br /><br />Anyway... I think the woman went a little nutty to buy all those shirts. I'm not disagreeing with her feeling that kids just don't need to see that kind of stuff and malls are the "hang out" places these days. But I also wouldn't have spent that kind of money, return or not.<br /><br /><br />As for the ugly commenters, dime a dozen when it comes to hot topics such as religion and politics. I'm just glad my blog is fairly "quietly known" because I wouldn't have wanted any negative comments about baptism. Lol.AletaObriennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-44733707052406482682014-02-26T14:09:27.106-06:002014-02-26T14:09:27.106-06:00No Latin studies for me. I took French which as i...No Latin studies for me. I took French which as it turns out would only come in handy in parts of Canada or France. Neither place I have been to as of yet. <br />I, too would of been open in discussing almost anything with my children but they always seemed to be ahead of the curve on trends and pop culture (as these types of shirts are an example of) and I firmly believe both my daughter and son would of thought those shirts were "beneath" them in terms of ever wearing something that vulgar. Our conversation in regards to a trashy T might of been along the lines of "who in the world would pay good money for that piece of crap?" We aren't anything if not articulate...haha<br /><br />But...yes...there wouldn't be anything off limits in terms of discussions at our house. <br /><br />As for the expression of ideas on the Internet. I, too am interested in thought out, intelligent ideas expressed and am not overly fussy how the points are conveyed. They could be funny, serious,...in the form of cartoons, poems, songs...whatever but not rude and not mean spirited. <br /><br />Thank you Wendy for the kind comments. I do like to use some humor to make my point and not everyone "gets" it. I (and Crabby Pants) so very, VERY much appreciate your insights. Crabby Pants would never be upset with you.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-23535974757865733492014-02-26T13:18:02.624-06:002014-02-26T13:18:02.624-06:00Well, it would take theses. Did you take Latin t...Well, it would take theses. Did you take Latin too? In fact, it has generated volumes of theses in the academic world, and still, little changes. And I think it will only change with one small action, done by one person, that accumulates into a changing wave. I so agree with you that there has been a quantum leap of cultural revolution in the last fifty years. As for the shirt itself, I too would not have purchased them all, but since I always had an open-forum discussion with my lads, it would have generated quite a conversation! They could , and did, ask me anything. Sometimes I was blushing inside while answering but really, I consider that the best way to maintain parent integrity. I don't want to waste the value of the internet to express pointless and all too often vile rambling. I want to read clear and well thought out pondering on constructive ideas, which is why I often post a rather serious comment to your fun and often hilarious postings. I think well-done and constructive humour can often speak way more to addressing issues than a thesis! Which is why I so value your blog, your constructive thoughts and oh yes, Miss Crabby Pants too, of course ( don't want HER upset with me).Wendynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-14912488853802708442014-02-26T12:21:13.063-06:002014-02-26T12:21:13.063-06:00It would take multiple thesis (what is the plural ...It would take multiple thesis (what is the plural of thesis, Wendy?) to hash over the cultural evolution that has brought us to this time where discussing our thoughts has become hyper antagonistic and the secondary point where people jump to everything needing to be blamed onto something else. <br /><br />I don't get the multiple commenters on Gawker that felt the need to say that Christians were uptight and trying to foist their morals on other people. I would assume that religious people of any variety (Christian or not) or people that don't espouse any religion at all would/could have a value system that wouldn't support the widespread availability of sexual images to young children. <br /><br />I doubt that her actions of buying up the shirts has any real impact but you make a great point...if other people stood up as Judy did....ripples can turn into waves. I think it was admirable on her part that she carried through on something she deemed important. (esp. given that it was not rude or harmful) I am absolutely sure that if my 18 year old son (Kiddo #2) and I saw those shirts (of course in 1993 things were a bit different) Kiddo #2 and I would of been talking about it. He is really funny by nature so there might of been some laughing involved. There definitely wouldn't of been a store "intervention". I have more than a little disdain for Pac Sun to choose that product line and then try to market to the preteen set but my overall way to handle stores I dislike is to not shop there. <br /><br />I think you hit upon part of my irritation in the line "Unfortunately, so much of the internet is not about that , even though <br />as a mode of conversation, it is a wonderful vehicle for it." YES, the Internet allows a forum for us all to share ideas and converse. Not necessarily agree but debate and share ideas but we waste it saying vile things about people.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-11366198145033489132014-02-26T11:50:40.299-06:002014-02-26T11:50:40.299-06:00Lisleman mentioned the Youtube comments as well. ...Lisleman mentioned the Youtube comments as well. As much as I read comments, I have never bothered to read comments on Youtube. HMMM maybe that's a good thing. It might just tick me off. <br /><br /><br /><br />That is so my point...people need to NOT be so nasty. Can people disagree without being going totally ape shit. <br /><br /><br /><br />I would of laughed if you bought one considering it was naked women in stupid poses. The one with the sexy pose in underwear but wearing sports socks strikes me as more than odd. I wouldn't be particularly offended by the shirts and I would of kept walking. Really my only concern is that Pac Sun caters to the preteen set and I don't get how that line of shirts is their demographic. But it wouldn't of led me to take it up with anyone. I will say that I often find humor in things that others might not.Cheryl P.http://artofbeingconflicted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740338215172190519.post-7352707614176865212014-02-26T11:08:53.558-06:002014-02-26T11:08:53.558-06:00Gosh, this could easily be a thesis paper response...Gosh, this could easily be a thesis paper response! Where oh where to begin? Or rather, to end. First off, I am often confused by the whole 'religion' issue. I have many many many (did i mention many?) friends who have no religious persuasion, and are offended by much of the things that happen in society today. I too read Bud's blog but thought, well, at least here is a woman who feels a need to take a stand AND does something. What she did was not originally unoffensive. Perhaps fruitless, ultimately, but not offensive. Yet, it is the collective action of small actions that can and will ultimately make a difference in what is happening in our society. I have honestly seen FAR far more offensive t-shirts than this one. Sigh. Yet, if no one bought the shirts, the shirts would not be made. THAT is the true issue of it all. Like much that happens in society that perhaps offends many of us, it is getting to the real issue that matters to me. Why the shirts? Why do they sell? Is it purely to be offensive/rebellious, or something more indicative of society morals and/or breakdown.? Political theory, just like psychology theory, is filled with the conflicting ideas of what makes for a good society. What society do we want to have, here, now,today, in the society where we live? This woman is asking this question with her behaviour.<br />As for the comments, I totally agree with you that comments, yes even disagreeing comments, can always be expressed in a kind mannerly way, not with animosity and confrontation. Thankfully, I am a quick skimming reader, and if I read an article and then the comments and they are full of @#%$ kind of stuff, then I skim to next one. In 'real 'life, one meets people all the time who convey equally unconvincing pointless comments. Real issues in society require deep thought and deep considering. Not off the cuff @#$% type of remarks. There is a Compelling need for those of us who are concerned about where society is heading to seriously meet and to discuss what makes for a good society, and how to achieve it. Unfortunately, so much of the internet is not about that , even though as a mode of conversation, it is a wonderful vehicle for it. <br />You really went all out with the pictures this time, Cheryl. Love the angel/demon ones. The virtues are ones to live by, including kindness, even if no one else you meet lives by them. And the picture in the forest conveys just a hint of St. Augustine's famous line- Lord, make me chaste- but not yet! Well-done!Wendynoreply@blogger.com